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Our guest host tonight is Frank Coyle. Frank is a nationally known pro football scout who publishes Draft Insiders' Digest. In it's 21st season, DraftInsiders.com is a website and publication dedicated to the year round coverage of NFL and NCAA Football. Frank covers the NFL Draft and Free agency extensively with a veteran scouting staff that provides insightful information on players and team potential in the coming seasons.
Frank will answer submitted Draft questions not only about how the Packers but for all NFL Teams. Have a question now? Questions were submitted on February 1st in a Chat that night.
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[Comment From BubbaOneBubbaOne: ]
Frank, TE's and RB's took advantage of Hawk and Bishop in the passing game. Which cover ILB's could TT draft in round 3 or after? BTW- a coach who was at Ohio St when Hawk was there said at the Senior Bowl that Hawk is too big, agree?
ILB is an average group. A guy who would get early consideration would be
Dont'a Hightower of Alabama in the late first round. He is NFL ready.
Middle round guys with coverage ability would be Jerry Franklin of Arkansas
He would have limitations in the Packers scheme as a regular
[Comment From Bob C.Bob C.: ]
What players improved their stock at the Senior Bowl and who's dropped? Thanks Frank.
TT has done a great job and value buying is always the wisest.
Picking #28 creates a multiple of situations that you must prepare for.
Trading up is always expensive.
BPA always wins in the long term. I think the Packers are looking at DB early and
often. TT usually stays with his value board. That's why Packers are always in the Super Bowl hunt. I also like DL and an edge rusher opposit Matthews is critical.
[Comment From packerboypackerboy: ]
What three players do you think the Packers have on their radar at 28 ? Also, can Zach Brown play ROLB in Capers D ?
I say Packers needs are CB, OLB
Zach Brown is not a great fit for the 3-4 front. He is a terrific athlete but not over 235 lbs. Edge rushers are lean this year. Packers may address secondary at #28
CBs like Gilmore, Boykin. Maybe a safety like Martin
Point being Packers secondary was suspect in 2011 Woodson is entering 15th season and Collins must prove healthy. Clubs need 6 starting DB in today's NFL game.
Comment From Bob C.
What players improved their stock at the Senior Bowl and who's dropped? Thanks Frank.
I think players like CB Brandon Boykin, Shaun Prater & Leonard Johnson helped themseleves
I think a player like LB Melvin Ingram would be a great fit in GB
He has played both up and down on the edge and makes plays. He figures in latter first round. He had an impressive Senior Bowl
Another good fit for GB would be DL Jared Crick of Nebraska. He would be a great addition at DE in this front
[Comment From MadtorkMadtork: ]
Where is the most defensive talent late in round 1? OLB, 3/4-DE or DB?
I say DB. I am not impressed with OLB ers this year for the 3-4 scheme.
It is also one of the riskiest positions in the game. I love the CB class and feel there are 6 safeties that should go in the top 100-125 that carry solid grades.
The CB class is talented and deep. I think it will be the #1 position drafted this year again and probably the most in the first round, Top 50 and top 100 selections.
[Comment From packerboypackerboy: ]
Have you heard any news on the health of Jared Crick ? If healthy I believe he could be a STUD in the Packer D. Could the Packers get him in round 2 ? THANKS
Crick had only an average final season He was nicked up
In addition, he is a tall angular lineman who is better on the outside in a
five technique spot at end in the 3-4 front. He has the versatility to kick inside for 4 man fronts as a pass rusher. He would be a great fit for the Packers
Currently, he figures to go in the late first / early 2nd round. if healthy
His NFL Combine performance is huge.
[Comment From RedtRedt: ]
Which of these guys will most likely be available with #28; Upshaw, Barron, Ingram & Perry. Also, what rounds for Shea Mclellin, j. Crick, LaMichael James & Chris Rainey, thanks.
Barron is a top 15-20 selection.
Upshaw is well respected and probably a top 20 guy.
Ingram and Perry probably go beyond top 20. I think the 3-4 clubs like Ingram best while DE Perry is best suited for weakside end in a 4-3 front.
LB Shea McClellin is a possible 3rd round selection. Best at OLB in 3-4 scheme.
Good fit in GB
Crick late first /early 2nd RB James is 2nd-3rd round according to workout and health. Chris Rainey is a 3rd day guy 4th-5th round area.
[Comment From Uncle JoshUncle Josh: ]
Should the Packers overpay for an over-30 Scott Wells or draft Peter Konz at 28(if available)?
Wells has done well for Packers. He is only 31 years old. I say they resign him.
Konz is the #1 center and figures late first /early 2nd. Teams like Ravens, Patriots and possibly Packers would be nice fits.
[Comment From bobbob: ]
Good evening. my question tonight for frank is this. given the glaring weakness at the safety position with n.collins being lost what are your thoughts on m.martin(ok st), a.allen(s.car), and h.smith(n.d.).i've seen allen a bunch and think he's a nice player. i haven't seen the other 2. do you think they can fit the packer's system and what rounds do you see them going in. thanks a lot.
Safety is a key spot in GB
Martin and Allen are more strong safeties Both hit and tackle.
Coverage is OK
Harrison Smith is a kid I like. He shows better coverage skills than most safeties
He probably goes in the 3rd round area. The safety spot is not as deep as corner and has become critical with all the nickel and dime packages. Safeties who can cover are gold.
Aaron Henry of Wisconsin is a prospect to watch especially his ability to run and his positional workout. I think this kid could surprise.
[Comment From John KayJohn Kay: ]
Frank, most of us fans focus on the physical side yet it's probably less than half the equation. TT takes into account character, football IQ, drive, etc. Which defensive players projected to go in the first few rounds will TT dismiss out of hand b/c of these issues?
I think football IQ is so critical. Players that are hungry is vital to a locker room
Things happen over the course of the season and players that can reach down and play thru problems, injuries and never lose sight of the goal are the guys you must find in the scouting process.
DE Coples had a great Senior bowl but suspect senior season
That's a red flag even though he could go in the top ten selections.
One thing to consider is that the process is ongoing.
NFL Combine will answer many questions via interviews.
DE Branch of Clemson has top talent but inconsistent motor.
[Comment From Jacob LJacob L: ]
If a ILB is BPA do you think Tedy may take one? A player that can cover will free up the Safetys to ball hawk and OLB to blitz. Hawk could be upgraded, do you agree?
Hawk is an average starter. That's why I think a player on the GB short list
is LB Dont;a Hightower of Alabama. Great fit here. Physical and an every down defender.
The BC backer Luke Kuechly is a top 15 guy.
James-Michael Johnson of Nevada is a name to remember. Good ILB for 3-4 set.
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Frank Coyle was a Guest on PackerChatters
Our guest host tonight is Frank Coyle. Frank is a nationally known pro football scout who publishes Draft Insiders' Digest. In it's 20th season, DraftInsiders.com is a website and publication dedicated to the year round coverage of NFL and NCAA Football. Frank covers the NFL Draft and Free agency extensively with a veteran scouting staff that provides insightful information on players and team potential in the coming seasons.
Frank will answer submitted Draft questions not only about how the Packers but for all NFL Teams. Have a question now?
Frank's overall #1 Pick in the 2011 NFL Draft Blaine Gabbert - QB - 6’5” - 235 - Missouri
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Biggest needs are OT and OLB. How the board shakes out will dictate picks.
Ted Thompson will probably explored moving both up and back. I really don't like the value at #32
[Comment From DonDon:
Frank thanks for the chat. I know our biggest needs are at OLB and OT since we wont have any impact players falling that far where do we look next wide receiver or cornerback?
I do like both CB and WR on the Packers high need list.
Those positions might have better value at #32.
Here is something to watch. If a QB slides or another highly regarded player, the teams in the early 2nd round will attempt to move up. GB might be able to get a few additional top 100 picks with a move back.
The #3 receiver on the board could fall to the top 40 and the CB will fall out thru mid round two.
I love CB Ras-I Dowling for the Packers He is a first round talent with some durability concerns but a 6' 200 lb cover man with real talent.
[Comment From bobbob:
Hi frank. OT being such a major need and the top 4 all probably gone by pick 32. How about some round 2/3 guys that might be there when the Pack picks. Cannon(g/ot-Tcu), Franklin(Mia),Newton(Ark St), King(S.Car),Reid(C.Fla),who are your favorites and what rounds. Thanks
I think Ted will wait and see how picks shake out.
Moving up 10 spots will cost at least a #3 pick. Clubs will want a #2
You have to be right to pay that type of high price. I also think players like CB Jimmy Smith, LB Justin Houston and Nate Solder might be worth the price.
Cannon is moving up quickly – 2nd round pick. Mobile wide body with skills but weight concerns.
Franklin is versatile to play both ROT and guard. Boom or bust guy. Newton is underrated and a tough kid with short area quickness. Falls to third day and good late gamble. King is one of the biggest boom or bust tackle in recent years. Somebody is going to hit a home run or strike out. Reid is a tough kid who could surprise and start after a few seasons of development.
[Comment From Ron:
My take on Quarterbacks is that you can't teach accuracy. With that in mind, I would not draft Jake Locker if I were a GM. What is your take on Locker and how do you see him performing in the NFL given his lack of accuracy and the general track record for QB's with his college pass %?
Accuracy usually does not improve in the NFL , though that is not written in stone.
David Garrard of Jax actually improved . Troy Aikman also improved significantly.
So rules have exceptions. Jake Locker lost time to baseball. He needs strong coaching on his footwork. He has everything else. I think he can be a fine starting NFL passer, though he definitely needs a season or two to make improvements.
[Comment From JamesJames:
Frank, any new thoughts on QB Kaepernick? Could he really go in the first round?
Kaepernick is not a first round pick in my estimation
I do think he goes early in round two with some many teams at the top of the round in need and many not landing one in the first round. Kaepernick will be a good NFL starter, but needs a few seasons to settle into the pro game but he is a fine athlete with the package to succeed. I think Kaep, Ponder and Dalton fall in the 2nd round and any of the top four that possibly fall out of the first round
[Comment From JonJon:
Thoughts on Leonard Hankerson? Round?
Hankerson is a fine possession receiver with deceiving speed.
He goes over the middle and works the sideline well. He probably goes mid 2nd round to early 3rd round. I feel he is a good #2 receiver and a fairly early NFL starter.
[Comment From Deacon DrewDeacon Drew:
Thanks Frank, Where do you have Marcus Cannon OL, TCU rated? I can't see TT taking him at pick 32 but I don't see hium lasting until pick 64.
Marcus Cannon is a load. He is 350 lbs. and moves like he is 250 lbs.
I have him rated in the mid 2nd round. He is a fine power player with good movement skills. He can play ROT or guard and can start early as a pro. One big concern. Does he eat himself out of the league? If he is in condition, this kid can be a monster blocker. At 330 lbs, he could be a Pro Bowler.
[Comment From Steve O.Steve O.:
I'm a real Austin Pettis fan. Would he be someone the Packers look at and what round potentially should he go?
Pettis is a very tough receiver with hands and the guts to go over the middle.
My question is this Can he separate at the NFL level? I have my doubts and it affected my ranking of him. He is a third day guy and marginal Top 150 prospect. Work on his footwork and he could surprise in 3-4 wideout sets but only a 5th round or later pick
[Comment From DonDon:
I would think we would get better than Wilson with this pick. Might as well move down then.
Martez Wilson is some athlete. He had a great NFL Combine and was a very productive defender on an average unit. He fits better outside than inside. I rated him my #1 Inside Backer. He has a huge upside and could go in the first. Pack at #32 is in a tough spot. Trading back would be wise, though you can miss on an entire tier of prospects.
[Comment From Bob C.Bob C.:
Thoughts on QB Scott Tolzien. Good backup QB for Packers in later rounds?
Tolzien is a good backup. He manages an offense well. He probably only goes late after the Top 200 players. He would be a good #3 to develop, though I question how much upside potential he has as a pro. There is a possibility that he does not get drafted
[Comment From SamSam:
Where do you have Jordan Todman ranked now with the RB's?
I love Todman. I scouted him extensively and had him rated very high in my Yearbook. I rated higher than others. He is very tough and has excellent durability and ball security. I think he probably goes in the 3rd round.
[Comment From RonRon:
All I've seen is the name Nick Fairley to Tennessee at #8. I do NOT think this is happening, given the character issues the Titans are dealing with (Ken Britt). I still see them addressing the DL in round #1 and QB in round #2. What is your opinion?
Titans have had their fill of any problem child. I think they are looking in two directions. IF they stay with the DL they will select DE Cam Jordan even though they drafted Derrick Morgan last year they need another DE. Also, I think they could take CB Prince Amukamara at the #8 spot.
He is a blue chip prospect and clean off the field. They would be two great picks with early NFL starting grades.
[Comment From JimboJimbo:
Has Ryan Mallett's stock fallen from the rumors of possible drug use that have followed him?
Mallett has probably fallen on most boards. You only need one team to like you or need you. What does Jack and Miami do if Newton and Gabbert are off the board as expected? They would be looking at Mallett or Locker in middle of the first. If past those clubs, they could easily fall another 10-15 picks on team needs.
[Comment From MickMick:
How many QB's do you think go in the 1st and who? Thanks Frank.
I say QB go like this. Gabbert, Newton, Locker, Mallett, Ponder, Kaepernick, Dalton.
The top 4 should come off in the first round. Regardless, if only three are selected, the remaining four will go in the top part of round two. There are 9-10 teams that must get a young passer. A few won't land one but they will probably be drafting in the top ten again next April.
[Comment From dukerduker:
Your thoughts on Drake Nevis. Looks explosive. What round do you see him going.
Drake Nevis is a small three technique tackle for a 4-3 set. He is a good fit for the Bears, Saints, Rams He may go in the third round but could fall to the 3rd day on size concerns. He needs the right setting to be effective.
[Comment From ChuckChuck:
Is Danny Watkins a first round talent and why?
Watkins is a mature overage kid. He is not a first round talent. He is very developed and should push for early starting time at guard. I rank him high for the interior, but a 26 year old rookie. I rank him in the Top 50-60 prospects with a rookie guard starting grade. Tough savvy kid and fine technician.
[Comment From Bob C.Bob C.:
Frank....comment a little on this years TE's. Is Virgil Green from Nevada in your top 5 TE's?
TE is a weak group Rudolph is a top 40. Green is a good athlete and a fine receiver to stretch the field in the seam. He is subpar as a blocker and a one dimensional prospect for my money.
I ranked him a Top 10 TE prospect but not a top 100 prospect. A lot of TE are strictly one dimensional and most will be late picks. Green can help in the vertical game and run after the catch but not much more.
[Comment From DonDon:
With the Pack being a passing team do you think they would consider Ingram if he fell to them.
Ingram has some problems with his knee. It might cost him a first round grade. There may not be a RB in first round for the first time in history. I always feel I can find a RB on the middle and late rounds. I love LeShoure and Ryan Williams in the 2nd round. Todman in 3rd Delone Carter in the 4th. I think most teams feel they can land a good back much later and as a result focus on problem areas with early selections.
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NFL Draft Chat with Frank Coyle
This is a transcript of an NFL Draft Chat with Frank Coyle on PackerChatters this week.
Our guest host tonight is Frank Coyle. Frank is a nationally known pro football scout who publishes Draft Insiders' Digest. In it's 20th season, DraftInsiders.com is a website and publication dedicated to the year round coverage of NFL and NCAA Football. Frank covers the NFL Draft and Free agency extensively with a veteran scouting staff that provides insightful scouting information on players and team potential in the coming seasons.
Photo - WR Jonathan Baldwin - Pittsburgh
Frank answered submitted Draft questions not only about how the Packers but for all NFL Teams. Welcome all! Welcome back Frank to PackerChatters Live Draft Chat. Tonight's Chat as usual will run approximately 1 hour. We will try and get to all the questions in this short time frame.
Great to be with Packer Chat again. NFL Draft clock is ticking.
Comment From packerboypackerboy:
Good evening Frank,Three Questions? 1.Would Brooks Reed be a good selection at 32 for the Packers ? 2.At 248 lbs can Dontay Moch play OLB in Capers D? 3.Thoughts on Willi Smith (OT).Looked pretty good at the combine. Could he be a steal in round 4-5? THANKS
Best available is always the right move. A lot happens in top 31 picks. Packers GM Ted Thompson has been great at staying with value board and I expect him to do it again. It might be players like M Pouncey, LB Ayers, WR Baldwin.
Brooks Reed is a player I rank in the Top 125 prospects only. Maybe plays up in the 3-4 but a project there. He is on the board in day three. Great motor with average AA
LB Moch is on the come. Great NFL Combine effort at almost 250 lbs. and probably moved into 2nd round. Great fit for Packers but probably not available at #64
OT Will Smith is a rising prospect with the feet you want on a pass protector. He moved into middle rounds and a kid with a big upside.
Comment From 12851285:
If you had to start an offensive line of all rookies from this draft class what would it look like ? THANKS
LOT Castanzo, ROT Solder, center Pouncey OG Watkins and Moffitt or maybe Hudson You would need three #1 picks and a couple of other top 100 picks for that group.
Comment From hbuffhbuff:
WR's Richardo Lockette and Cecil Shorts, what are your thoughts on them, who is better, who fits the Packers scheme better, and when will they be drafted?
WR Shorts is more developed than people think. I like him a lot and he is probably available on the 4-5th rounds Short has fine hands and runs good routes. WR Lockette is a cut athlete with excellent speed, though a straight line sprinter. He needs a lot of work on his routes and hands. He had marginal production at a very low level. Short is the much better fit here
Comment From Tommy Tommy :
Any surprises for you at the Combine?
I thought a few players disappointed like CB Johnny Patrick, RB Rodgers, RB Powell WR Vincent Brown
Comment From kennykenny:
Hi Frank thanks for coming. I like the Packers to take WR at pick 32. Tell us about Jon Baldwin, Leonard Hankerson, and Torrey Smith as the best potential, skills, head, etc. Any later round WR that would fit well with the Packers?
I will a lot of receivers. My #3 receiver overall is Jonathan Baldwin. He has a big upside as a pro. He struggled with a weak QB in 2010. He is a Brandon Marshall type playmaker. Torrey Smith has an explosive burst but very underdeveloped as a route runner. Probably goes in mid 2nd. Hankerson is a tough sure handed kid with size and deceptive speed. Well developed and probably does not get out of the 2nd round. I like Titus Young as a deep threat and playmaker. WR Greg Little had a great Combine and is a kid with huge potential if the light comes on. WR Edmund Gates had an impressive workout. He is a Small college burner with sure hands and RAC
Comment From gbtraditionsgbtraditions:
Where do you rate Brooks Reed? Very high on the kid myself, problem is I don't think he will be there at pick #64 and I think pick #32 is a little too early for him.
Like I said Brooks Reed is not a Top 100 prospect on my board and a project for playing up in a 3-4. The only things similar to Clay Matthews is that they both have long hair and great motors.
Comment From Jimbo Jimbo :
Today at his Pro Day Arkansas quarterback Ryan Mallett tried to distance himself from the rumors of possible drug use that have followed him lately. Your thoughts Frank on Mallett?
Mallett has a monster arm and the best in this class. He is very immobile and struggles when asked to move in the pocket or outside of it. He has played in a pro style offense and is more developed than most others who played in a spread offense with little time under center.
Mallett will have to win in the interview to dispel rumors. The position demands a tough mature athlete with the intangibles to overcome all the problems that occur over a season. Mallett is a big time talent who has to grow up. He is not alone in that area.
Comment From RhinoRhino:
Good Evening Frank,
I feel the needs for this years draft for the Packers are in this order. (OL,CB,WR,OLB,RB,DE/DT). Do you see the same needs in this order?
I see GB needs
OT, CB, LB, DL, WR, RB
Value will dictate direction Ted goes. He never loses sight of value. I like OT Solder if available, CB Harris or Jim Smith. LB Ayers is a possibility WR Baldwin would be top value and set up the receiving corps for a while.
Comment From TimTim:
Hey Frank, will Jernigan be available at 64 and if will would he fill the slot/return position we need especially if James Jones leaving? Jennings, Driver, Nelson, Jernigan seems like quite a force.
Jernigan brings a lot to the table - wideout with top RAC and a top punt and KO returner. He is hot after a strong workout. Speed rises in the draft over the final weeks and Jernigan has probably moved into 2nd round and most likely gone by the 64th overall selection.
Comment From packerboypackerboy:
TT selects BPA .What player (or players) do you see falling to the Packers at 32?
WR Baldwin, OC Pouncey, LB Ayers, CB Aaron Williams or Jimmy Smith,
Maybe WR Torrey Smith OT Gabe Carimi
You want a few shocks How about Mark Ingram or Kyle Rudolph at 32. Backs traditionally fall and Ingram would be excellent value and a fine fit here.
Rudolph would be available later on 2nd round with a possible trade out of the first round.
Comment From hbuffhbuff:
Denver is moving back to the 4-3 defense, Elvis Dumerville struggled as a DE but lead the league in sacks the first year he was moved to OLB in their 3-4 defense. He is only 27, any chances the Packers make a move to get him? What would it take?
HC John Fox loves the 4-3 and Dumervil might be expendable. No trades until the CBA is signed. It could eliminate deals until after the NFL Draft. A good veteran tweener might be the perfect compliment for Matthews. He would command a top 50-75 pick currently.
Comment From 12851285:
What do you think of Curtis Marsh as the Packer selection at #64.THANKS,FRANK
Curtis Marsh is moving up my board. Only 2 years at corner and he is showing natural skills. Nice Combine effort. Teams are viewing film of him. I had him a top 150 prospect in December. Maybe a top 100 now Corners are always in demand so expect a top 100 run - maybe he shoots up charts even further. Good prospect with fine skills. I love kids that improve. They usually hit the ground running in the NFL.
Comment From SkipSkip:
How good a prospect is Vai Taua from Nevada?
Vai Taua is a versatile back who can fill both backfield spots. He is well developed and shows fine hands in addition to inside running. Looks like a 3rd day kid with a nice LOD to give a team a swingback with the talent to fill a few roles. Good later pick.
Comment From jdmskisjdmskis:
Would Titus Young be a good pick at 32 - both as a a WR and kick returner, especially since returning kicks has been a long time weakness.
Titus Young is an explosive playmaker. He had a good week at the Senior Bowl. He is only around 175 lbs. but he has a burst to separate in the deep game and is dangerous after the catch. Speed kills in the NFL He has the talent that reminds me of Santana Moss /Dexter McCluster / DeSean Jackson as playmakers as receivers and returners.
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